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Anthony H
Just wondered - we're Avast resellers and love the general all-round protection it gives us. But we use Malwarebytes free as it does seem to detect some of the stuff that Avast doesn't. My question is: If we buy the paid-for version of Malwarebytes, does that offer us all the protection of an antivirus too? Do we need both? or should we dispense with all AV programs and just use malwarebytes?

I can't seem to find anywhere on your site where it describes how malwarebytes is "positioned" as it were.

Thanks

Anthony
Falkra
Hi, smile.gif

MalwareBytes is defined as an anti-malware program : it detects and removes malwares, that it to say malicious programs and files that some antivirus don't detect or can't fully remove.
You can (and should) have an antimalware program as well as a resident antivirus protection. Both are complementary, even if some malwares are detected by antivirus, and some virus can be detecteed by antimalware programs. Both database types are different and don't look for the same things, there are common detections, but the common part is not really substantial.

Where an antivirus stops detecting things, an antimalware program will take over. You need an antivirus, and an antimalware, to have a second line of defense.
Anthony H
QUOTE (Falkra @ Sep 27 2009, 03:06 PM) *
Hi, smile.gif

MalwareBytes is defined as an anti-malware program : it detects and removes malwares, that it to say malicious programs and files that some antivirus don't detect or can't fully remove.
You can (and should) have an antimalware program as well as a resident antivirus protection. Both are complementary, even if some malwares are detected by antivirus, and some virus can be detecteed by antimalware programs. Both database types are different and don't look for the same things, there are common detections, but the common part is not really substantial.

Where an antivirus stops detecting things, an antimalware program will take over. You need an antivirus, and an antimalware, to have a second line of defense.


Thanks that clears things up for me! The thing is that for most of our customers, they couldn't care less whether it's a virus, worm, trojan or malware. If it's bad and affecting their computer in any way, they want it removed. In practice, I find that malwarebytes' removal process is first class though. We've applied to be resellers of malwarebytes and will be testing installations with Avast AND malwarebytes and hopefully selling these are a hard-to-beat combination....
YoKenny1
As a long time user of MalwareBytes I like to think about Layered Protection.

No anti virus application protects 100% and MalwareBytes adds quite a bit more protection.

I like WinPatrol as a Security Monitor as it checks a few more things:
http://www.winpatrol.com/features.html

I like using a HOSTS file from MVPS:
Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts File
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
srtools1980y
+ an USB security soft to block any threats via USB drive.

My choice is USB Disk Security.
vladmir
1 word: HIPS(Host Intrusion Prevention System).
I recommend DefenseWall or GesWall.
Appguard, Prevx Edge, and Malware defender are good too)

They are the future man!!
exile360
True enough. Most IS suites include some HIPS component (I know Kaspersky for one does, and ESET as well), as do many software firewalls. Heuristics and behavioural detections are big as well smile.gif .
AdvancedSetup
They're not new though and this industry is still swamped with infected users even from the Corporate World who has been using this for a while now.
srtools1980y
Yes it's cat & mouse game.

vladmir
QUOTE (srtools1980y @ Sep 28 2009, 06:06 AM) *
+ an USB security soft to block any threats via USB drive.

My choice is USB Disk Security.

Yesh, i use that on my PC's as well. I dig the idea that it creates AUTORUN.INF folders in all your disk drives,
and removable drives, that cant be deleted even if you do a Shift+Del.

Also, DefenseWall 2.56 has default settings to run ALL usb drives as 'untrusted', so thats awesome.
YoKenny1
QUOTE (srtools1980y @ Sep 28 2009, 01:06 AM) *
+ an USB security soft to block any threats via USB drive.

My choice is USB Disk Security.

At $55.00 it is too expensive for me as I am retired and on a pension so I have to be frugal with my money as food and rent come first.

DefenseWall will cost me $34.44CAD.

So I find free alternatives that work for me like Autorun Eater from Old McDonald's Farm and Outpost Firewall Free:
http://oldmcdonald.wordpress.com
http://free.agnitum.com
srtools1980y
Actually in our home the desktop is shared by 4. (I am one of the three).
Each one of us have multiple pendrives & ext. hdds.
& we get infected often through these.

Then we decided between infections & $55 (lifetime).
Finally $55 won & it's doing a good job.

I don't use my laptop for browsing, because I don't like technicians handling it if it gets infected. Moreover using datacard/usb modem here is costly, as the pulserate is per minute basis.

Thanks for your links.
vladmir
QUOTE (YoKenny1 @ Sep 28 2009, 10:28 AM) *
So I find free alternatives that work for me like Autorun Eater from Old McDonald's Farm and Outpost Firewall Free:
http://oldmcdonald.wordpress.com
http://free.agnitum.com

I actually also have disabled autorun on all my drives. Very effective in preventing malware from automatically running from infected USB drives.
Source:
http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/prg/em/ccirc...08-004-eng.aspx
QUOTE
To block all autorun.inf files from executing, which can be applied as a global policy by changing the registry keys, perform the following step:

1. Start Notepad.
2. Copy the following text below and paste it into Notepad. Everything between the square brackets should be on one line.
3.

REGEDIT4
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\IniFileMapping\Autorun.inf]
@="@SYS:DoesNotExist"

4. Save the file with the name NoAutoRun.reg. Make sure to include the .reg extension.
5. Right click on your .reg file and choose "Merge". Confirm any warning prompts to add the information to the registry. Alternately, you can use the following command "REG IMPORT NoAutoRun.reg".
6. Restart computer.

Changing this registry key will prevent any part of the autorun.inf file to execute, even if the computer has seen the device before the registry change and has it cached in the MountPoint2 key. It also disables the autorun features without causing other negative side effects


vladmir
Also very effective and free utility that i recommend is Panda USB Vaccine
Its available for free download, link below.
Source:
http://www.pandasecurity.com/homeusers/downloads/usbvaccine/
QUOTE
Panda USB Vaccine is a free solution designed to protect against this threat. It offers a double layer of preventive protection, allowing users to disable the AutoRun feature on computers as well as on USB drives and other devices:

Vaccine for computers: This is a ‘vaccine' for computers to prevent any AutoRun file from running, regardless of whether the device (memory stick, CD, etc.) is infected or not.

Vaccine for USB devices: This is a ‘vaccine' for removable USB devices, preventing the AutoRun file from becoming a source of infection. The tool disables this file so it cannot be read, modified or replaced by malicious code.

This is a very useful tool as there is no simple way of disabling the AutoRun feature in Windows. This provides users with a simple way of disabling this feature, offering a high degree of protection against infections from removable drives and devices.
srtools1980y
First thing I do after OS reinstall : Disable Autorun Feature in all drives.
I hate Autorun.

But I do it through Group Policy Editor. (OS=XP Pro.).
YoKenny1
QUOTE (srtools1980y @ Sep 28 2009, 04:56 AM) *
Yes it's cat & mouse game.

There's more than one way to skin a cat (idiom) and
Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

Group Policy Editor is not available in XP Home if I remember correctly.
srtools1980y
I think Anthony H (who started this topic) is busy with some other work.

YoKenny1:Thanks.
nomnom
cool.gif Love this utility, noob here so saying hi too <waves>

If we buy this and use the resident options of mbam (I have been using it for a while to help a lot of people solve their problems and recommending it too), AND we are using Microsoft Security Essentials (which is anti-virus and the old defender (anti-spyware) combined (I think)) - Are there any resident conflicts with MSE?

Personally, I have been chewing this over for a while, I want to support the programmers (by paying for it obviously), but I also believe not having it resident is an advantage... while not active I consider it less likely to be detected by malware trying to get on my systems and therefore more effective when I launch it for a periodic surprise scan.

Google are recommending mbam too if you didn't know - http://www.google.com/support/websearch/bi...amp;answer=8091
GT500
QUOTE (nomnom)
If we buy this and use the resident options of mbam (I have been using it for a while to help a lot of people solve their problems and recommending it too), AND we are using Microsoft Security Essentials (which is anti-virus and the old defender (anti-spyware) combined (I think)) - Are there any resident conflicts with MSE?


There are no issues with both on Vista x64. I was one of the beta testers for MSE, and it worked very well together with MBAM. I was also quite impressed with the first version of the beta, but I need to do some more testing on the current version of MSE just to make sure that it's still as awesome as it was.
Anthony H
QUOTE (srtools1980y @ Sep 28 2009, 11:27 AM) *
I think Anthony H (who started this topic) is busy with some other work.

YoKenny1:Thanks.


Sorry yes, I've been away at work all day!

I carry a "utilities" USB stick when visiting customers and I once did get caught - my stick got infected and I ended up infecting every PC in my house mainly because I was so big-headed I couldn't believe I had a virus!

Anyway what I do now is to carry a stick with a write protect switch, and a stick which is basically an SD card in a small-ish USB adapter. SD cards have write protect switches.

Also, my main PC and laptop I use for work, are both Ubuntu-based, so I'm unlikely to get infected with a USB stick at any rate!

Thanks for all the support on this thread, I really appreciate the feedback and will be giving some of these things a try.
Anthony
nomnom
QUOTE (GT500 @ Sep 28 2009, 07:17 PM) *
There are no issues with both on Vista x64. I was one of the beta testers for MSE, and it worked very well together with MBAM. I was also quite impressed with the first version of the beta, but I need to do some more testing on the current version of MSE just to make sure that it's still as awesome as it was.


Cool, now I know I can recommend the full version without fear of conflict with windows defender (which I think used to be webroot antispyware by sunbelt software until MS bought it - initially they made a bit of a botch job after taking it over but since it has become quite stable - and now integrated into MSE).

I think I will be buying now aswell, but just to support, prefer having it as surprise heavy forces to remove any sneak-throughs and the .exe re-named to counter its launch being prevented. Malware programmers I think have fast realised mbam is a major threat to their attempts.
nomnom
QUOTE (nomnom @ Sep 28 2009, 08:27 PM) *
.....(which I think used to be webroot antispyware by sunbelt software until MS bought it - initially they made a bit of a botch job after taking it over but since it has become quite stable - and now integrated into MSE)


Sorry it was Giant antispyware... http://www.terryscomputertips.com/computer...rspy-review.php

"Before using CounterSpy, I was using Microsoft Antispyware, which is also descended from Giant Anti-Spyware. Sunbelt Software licensed the technology from Giant before Microsoft purchased Giant."
GT500
QUOTE (nomnom)
... Malware programmers I think have fast realised mbam is a major threat to their attempts.


Yes they have, and in most cases that I come across renaming the EXE doesn't even help. Especially the one that hijacks the way EXE files launch, and prevents any security software from working. That one is easy to fix though. wink.gif
Firefox
QUOTE (GT500 @ Sep 28 2009, 09:27 PM) *
Yes they have, and in most cases that I come across renaming the EXE doesn't even help. Especially the one that hijacks the way EXE files launch, and prevents any security software from working. That one is easy to fix though. wink.gif

I have had great success renameing the file from *.exe to *.com and that seems to help in a lot of cases.
GT500
QUOTE (Firefox)
I have had great success renameing the file from *.exe to *.com and that seems to help in a lot of cases.


Yea, that bypasses the exefile hijack. So does a BartPE CD. Which one I choose depends on what I'm doing (BartPE CD's don't work too well on the helpdesk).
vladmir
QUOTE (GT500 @ Oct 2 2009, 06:18 AM) *
Yea, that bypasses the exefile hijack. So does a BartPE CD. Which one I choose depends on what I'm doing (BartPE CD's don't work too well on the helpdesk).

The bootable rescue CD from Dr.Web and Avira also work well in my experience.
GT500
QUOTE (vladmir)
The bootable rescue CD from Dr.Web and Avira also work well in my experience.


Yes, bootable CD's are great. I love to use my own BartPE disk when I'm sitting in front of an infected computer, but tools like ComboFix and MBAM just make it so much easier these days.
swagger
@GT,

Do you make your own additions to Bart PE or do you run the standard disc? I use UBCD 4 Windows which is built off of Bart PE if I remember correctly.
Firefox
It would be nice if MBAM would run off a bootable cd.....
gonwk
Hi folks,

Q: Is GeSWall Freeware good enough for the Protection that you folks are talking about?

Thanks,

G! smile.gif
riceman
QUOTE (gonwk @ Oct 25 2009, 08:33 PM) *
Hi folks,

Q: Is GeSWall Freeware good enough for the Protection that you folks are talking about?

Thanks,

G! smile.gif



Have a look at Matousec info on Firewalls:
http://www.matousec.com/projects/proactive...nge/results.php
Danerd9
QUOTE (Anthony H @ Sep 27 2009, 02:55 PM) *
Just wondered - we're Avast resellers and love the general all-round protection it gives us. But we use Malwarebytes free as it does seem to detect some of the stuff that Avast doesn't. My question is: If we buy the paid-for version of Malwarebytes, does that offer us all the protection of an antivirus too? Do we need both? or should we dispense with all AV programs and just use malwarebytes?

I can't seem to find anywhere on your site where it describes how malwarebytes is "positioned" as it were.

Thanks

Anthony

MBAM is only an antimalware. It does not protect against viruses like an Antivirus does. Email protection, enhanced firewall, heuristics, and Browser Protection are thing MBAM don't have. I recommend getting yourself an antivirus product. Besides it is mandatory. MBAM is like a special trooper while the Antivirus is the Leader and commando of the squad. I recommend Kaspersky because it is very good and praised. Norton 360 is also a good choice because it offers optimization however be aware that Norton products are hard to get rid off. I recommend you keep MBAM and add an antivirus to the battle field. MBAM has definitions beyond the traditional antivirus. biggrin.gif I am currently using Norton 2010, AVG, and MBAM! Windows Defender is useless, don't rely on it.
Danerd9
QUOTE (Danerd9 @ Nov 24 2009, 12:04 AM) *
MBAM is only an antimalware. It does not protect against viruses like an Antivirus does. Email protection, enhanced firewall, heuristics, and Browser Protection are thing MBAM don't have. I recommend getting yourself an antivirus product. Besides it is mandatory. MBAM is like a special trooper while the Antivirus is the Leader and commando of the squad. I recommend Kaspersky because it is very good and praised. Norton 360 is also a good choice because it offers optimization however be aware that Norton products are hard to get rid off. I recommend you keep MBAM and add an antivirus to the battle field. MBAM has definitions beyond the traditional antivirus. biggrin.gif I am currently using Norton 2010, AVG, and MBAM! Windows Defender is useless, don't rely on it.

Don'T FORGET AVAST!!! IT IS AWESOME TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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