Hi, I am so sorry and hope I have not waisted anyones time, I ended up formating my c: and re-enstalled windows 8, I did a fresh install with my windows 8 disk through repare system, is it possible that the malware or virus or trogan could have re-enstalled from memory, as I still have lots of TCP connections, I have only just opened firefox and done nothing else, and I noticed i have to download about 175mb of data and there is no download from windows update, this seems to happen every time I start my computer and open firefox. The first time it was updates form micosoft, then it kept happening with no updates. Am I just paranoid Thanks for your help. Ps: sorry If I have waisted anyones time. As I know your time is very inportant in helping others.