Hi Folks, Just to be clear, I do not consider a toolbar by itself to be a dealbreaker. Piriform (CCleaner, Recuva, Defraggler) has a bar checked in the CCleaner install .. yet it is very clear what it is and you uncheck it. It would be better not to be there, of course. The much bigger problem comes when the toolbars start to be stuffed in with dubious and confusing means .. Comodo and PDF Creator come to mind. And then Comodo made their situation intolerable with the absurd legal beagle bluster against Softpedia. If somebody has a "no toolbar" at all standard .. that is great (as is a no google-scareware-ad policy). However there are lots of grey areas, and Comodo, in my view, just was way, way over the line once they went to legal intimidation against a download company simply being consistent and accurate. Thus, unless they change, they should be ignored in the discussion. Oh, my questions .. are StartupLite, File Assassin and similar utilities, separate from Anti-Malware, ok for commercial use ? With the regular copyright, acknowledgement, no modification types of license. Shalom, Steven Avery