Thankyou v.much, I had done those ones and now I've excluded MSE from MBAM, as in your instructions at the linked page, so all is good. You know I had no problems even without the exclusions, they ran fine for the little while I ran them together without the exclusions. Thanks again, all the best, Rob. Yes I feel much more confident about my comp being safe now, I'd heard about Malwarebytes being recommended by people in the know for a while now, and running it safely with MSE can only be better, so thanks for your help guys, very pleased! All the best, Rob.