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#21 lilpeanut

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:16 PM

Okay. Well, don't know if I'm breaking any rules by asking this but...

Is there anything there that you can find that will work and is $50.00 or less? I have $100.00 to my name so I really can't afford to spend even that much but I have to do something.

Thanks for the help.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 06:38 AM

can you get your money back from the guy who sold you the dell XP disk ?

david is right about the lack of details ... picture wise and elsewise .
i would be very cautious about buying a "discounted" version of XP .
for example , the $38.00 seller you mentioned shows no feedback ... and he has been on ebay for about 6 months ?
sometimes when trying to save a dollar it winds up costing three dollars in the long run .

a little google searching shows that there are many ways that you can get ripped off along these lines .
try "pirated XP versions" .
some of the disks are/were the real deal by microsoft but were part of a "special deal" with a company or "evaluation releases" ...
these disks might be/are now (for whatever reasons) "blacklisted" .

however ...
you could ask the guy for the last few digits of the COA/activation code , if it is legit he should have no problems with supplying the information .
you can then check the microsoft database for authenticity and make sure the disk is not like the one you bought (ie : for dell comps) . ;)
some information is available here : http://www.techsuppo...ted-249619.html
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 08:22 AM

If I were to check the last few digits on a disk and found it to be legit, would a "for refurbished PCs" version be an acceptable version?
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 08:39 AM

I have never heard of a "for refurbished PCs" license.
Just Retail (OTC) and OEM (for systems that come with an OS).
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 06:53 AM

yep ... and another type is such as this : http://www.newegg.co...N82E16832116986
but ... you have to buy another computer type piece along with it .
i believe i have bought a couple of case fans in order to meet the requirements . i do recall buying a cd/dvd drive .
as an OEM version , it cannot be transferred to another comp once it is installed (say the comp dies and you build a brand new machine from the ground up) .

hmmm ... it is getting harder to find a "no questions" copy of XP .
this one says "dell" on it but the seller assures that it will install on any machine :
http://trinitysoftwa...=N09-00984-dell
/me raises the skeptical eyebrow

the same for this one as well :
http://www.tek-micro...ition-OEM-.html

maybe someone here that is more familiar with dell goings-on can answer this : didn't dell sell xp home-build/built oem software (much like newegg) ?
this might be their old stock that they dumped .

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 07:21 AM

That's a Dell OEM disk and can not be installed on a non Dell system.
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 08:37 AM

that is what i was thinking ... and even then , they might be specific to certain versions/models of dell comps .

what really bugs me is that most of the guys selling these do not make it explicitly clear that they are only for dell machines .
either they simply do not realize what they are selling/doing or what is going on ...
or ... they are intentionally "misleading" the/a prospective purchaser .

as has been mentioned elsewhere ... where has the integrity and honesty gone ?
it certainly was not the way that many others and myself were raised .
i remember a time when a "tradesman" was proud of his work and "integrity" was a matter of course .

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 08:46 AM

This day and age its all about a quick buck now ;)

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 08:47 AM

The Dell OEM OS installation disk is not tied to a particular Dell model. I know this based upon all the installations I have performed.

It isn't necessarily a case of being misleading. Often the seller doesn't know the facts. Additionally you can install a Dell OEM on a non Dell platform but it won't be considered a legal installation and cause the installer to go through Microsoft, buy a license, and properly activate the OS.
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 08:54 AM

@ david (and possibly others here)
pick this apart and see what you think :
http://www.ztek.net/...ll-version-sp2/
http://www.ztek.net/...3-full-version/

there are several "deals"/products at this site .

@ lilpeanut :
just out of curiosity , what were the programs you needed that would not work with ubuntu ?

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 08:59 AM

david ,
pick this apart and see what you think :
http://www.ztek.net/...ll-version-sp2/


Looks like a German & Japanese OEM XP/64 disk. It specifically states "For distribution with a new PC only..."

The page shows...

please choose your computer brand we will send you the original cd it works for your computer also it comes with new genuine product key We ship same or next business day


It lists supported manufacturers.

http://www.ztek.net/...3-full-version/


That looks like it may be a XP Home retail version. However the specs show "License Pricing OEM"
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 10:39 AM

hmmm ... good information .
it would seem that many (not all) of these "good price/deal" sites offer up less than 100% clear indications of what-is-what .

this thread has made me curious ...
so i did some looking around in my hell folder of software disks and found the two copies of "XP home" that i used on my two main comp builds that are still in use here :
both were purchased from newegg (about 80 bucks each)
they came in a shrink wrapped pasteboard "folder" (long gone but were green in color)
the COA/key numbers was/were attached to the shrink wrap
the discs have the holographic logo
on the disk :
"for distribution with a new PC only ... bla bla bla ... for product support , contact the manufacturer of your PC ."

as i see it , there is nothing definitive to delineate this product from the others that have the holographic logo (maybe i am missing something) .
of course , the types that say "dell" (etc .) and/or have something different from the holograms (solid color/printing for example) , there is no doubt about .

also ... the story of how stuff happen(s/ed) and relevant to this topic from the "what version/genuine software" angle :
while rummaging around in the hell-folder i found a sealed copy (envelope with clear plastic window) of MSO 2003 with the product key on the back .
i cannot remember for the life of me recall if this is one of two copies i purchased for a client and (then) they decided to only install a copy on one machine .
the copy i installed activated ok (and they did not have any problems with it for three years that i know of) .
i did not charge them for the second copy as i had all intentions of installing it on one of my machines , but stuff gets lost in the shuffle .
i just tried to find out what the heck this copy exactly is ... long story short , it looks like i have to actually install it first and then check it .
so , of i apply the same premise(s) to a copy of XP (with holograms , etc) ...
this means that (as far as i can tell from outward appearances) i would have to do the same as for MSO .

from what i have experienced (thus far) it looks as if there is not really any "plug your key numbers in here and we'll tell you what-is-what before you do anything" .
in fact , there are warnings in the associated MS forums about not posting the full key in question (duuuhhh) .
in short , i can see where the average person would have a helluva a time with all this and could fall prey to unscrupulous individuals or for *whatever* reasons wind up with a "nope , this aint gonna work" copy and thoroughly cornfuzzled .
the best/easiest/cheapest way (by the time all is said and done) is to bite the bullet and pony up for a "no questions asked" copy from a known and reputable source .

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 12:14 PM

@ lilpeanut :
just out of curiosity , what were the programs you needed that would not work with ubuntu ?


Sorry for not posting anything for so long. Been just to discouraged to even turn the computer on let alone try to deal with this issue.

The most important program that I have that I depend on is my magicjack for my phone service. The second is my roboform, which is a password keeper. I know, I know, there are other password keepers out there but I have 10 years of passwords on my roboform which I can not easily transfer to some new program that I know nothing about.

I am a grandmother raising two of my grandchildren with no help or support from either of their parents, on a budget of $900.00 a *month*. There is just no way on God's green earth I can afford a new copy of Windows. The guy I did get this copy from does stand by his word and is allowing me to return it for a refund. There is that saving grace.

I'm just so sick over all of this. I had to save for a couple of months to get this used computer. Then to find out it has a bad copy of windows on it and trying so desperately to make things right.....it's just disheartening, infuriating and discouraging.

The kids need a computer for school or I would just chuck it out the window and finish it off with a sledgehammer. But I can't. They need it.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:43 AM

good deal on the guy standing by his word ... i wonder how he managed to come by the copy he did use .

i have used ubuntu for a few years as have a couple of others here .
password managers ... yep , there are a bunch out there , including those made for ubuntu/linux systems .

i have had no need to use magicjack or any VOIP-type program so i cannot speak from actual experience on this , however ...
after a little google search it seems to be a mixed bag of nuts . some say they can run it ok , others have problems .
maybe someone else here has experience with this ?
ubuntu is a good operating system but is a bit "geekier" than windows is ... for your needs/use/abilities you are right to steer away from ubuntu , at least for now (down the road , who knows ?) .

as for obtaining a legitimate copy of windows XP or a legitimate activation key ...
in your case there may be an answer ...
some areas have agencies and programs in place to help out with getting comps into the hands of kids that need them .
these vary from sanctioned governmental (local , state, etc .) to volunteer programs .
i do not know what is available in your area but you may want to do some footwork along these lines .

for example , i wipe out old machines and load ubuntu on them , from there another guy takes them and gets them into the hands of someone else ...
from that point some deserving kid/family gets a comp .
i have never met any of the recipients of those comps ... i like to keep things simple along those lines .

another idea or two ...
i do not know how "big" the area is that you live in .
you might check with the goodwill or st.vincent depaul stores .
they may have something on the shelf or know of someone (or an agency) that is honest and can help you .

i remember reading *somewhere* that in some instances microsoft will help out individuals that have purchased or have been victims of pirated/bogus software .
i do not know the specifics involved , but this may be worth pursuing .

by all means though ... keep posting here .
you never know who might come up with an answer and when .

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:26 PM

CWB,

Thank you for all your suggestions. I have checked into some places that have been suggested to me for to look to get computers for kids but so far all I've found are sites that want to send them to Africa or some other equally deserving country. Have found a couple from California and Virginia but since I don't live there they suggested that I look elsewhere because my name would be constantly on the bottom of any lists, as they take care of their own first.

I live in one of those Small Town America towns where the population is around 2000 people (total, in town and outlying areas) and the next closest *big town*, which is 30 miles away, has a population of around 17000 total.

There is only one second hand store here (2 in the "big town") but none of them accept computers because they are small and independent and can't afford to have someone check them out to make sure they work.

Before I bought this one I did look everywhere some of the websites say to look and there is no help available. Now if I wanted a firearm then it seems I'd have no trouble finding help to get the proper training and certificates needed for one as well as the firearm itself! Don't know why the hell I moved here. :(
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 06:22 AM

"don't know why the hell i moved here ."
yeah , i have asked myself the same question from time to time . <_< :lol:

so , you are sort of out in the sticks . that does make things a bit more difficult .
i have looked around the MS site and forums for a way to easily purchase an activation key ... gawd , what a mess .
it seems to be no more difficult than nailing jelly to a tree (sans david freezing it first) .
--- this should be *simple* --- <_<

alas , my two prior experiences in this area were remedied by purchasing the keys through an acquaintance that ran a comp shop .
fortunately he was a hip and honest person .

i could do a little more footwork on this , however ...
a "real" full copy of XP (with key) is hard to find (at least as i have seen) .
it looks as if the easiest solution would be to purchase a full copy of W7 and install it .
this will be more than you wanted to spend , but as you have seen the old saying "if it sounds too good to be true ..." is applying nicely .

i do not know if W7 will run on your machine ...
some important specifications would be needed in order to help determine this .

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 07:53 AM

i did some checking and found this :
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16883157269

it may not be a racehorse when compared to the current stuff ... but ... it will work and has XP pro on it . no monitor though (you have one) .
(the cost of a *real* copy of XP pro is more than the comp !)
this is a refurbished unit that comes with a 1 year warranty .
free shipping too .
while caveat emptor does apply to refurbished equipment , i don't believe it would be any worse (and possibly better) than what has transpired to date .

i came into possession of a machine similar to this one (bad hard drive and i built the replacement comp for it) .
i popped in a new drive and loaded ubuntu ... i was pleased with the performance and the internal build .
while it is a used machine , at least newegg stands by the stuff they sell ... unlike that first individual that ripped you off (i think) .
if you could get your money back from that clown and the money from the second guy , this might be a solution to the whole mess .

for your needs and uses this machine will suffice .
you would have to keep the crap and background programs pared down in order to help the machine run the needed stuff efficiently (say antimalware and antivirus) .
there is plenty of help available here to help you fine-tune the machine .

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 11:32 AM

CWB,

Thank you for reaching out to me on this issue.

While I really don't like having to "air my dirty laundry", so to speak, in public, I am grateful for all the help that has been attempted.

At first I was only trying to get some help to make sure I had gotten the backdoor.bot off of my computer when out of the blue I was branded with the Pirated Software title. To say I was shocked doesn't describe how I felt, it was more like someone plucking me from a wide open country meadow straight to the electric chair.

I have no idea what to expect when I'm on the internet with this copy of windows on my system. I envision Pirate Software police coming out of some shadow somewhere, either/or in real life or online and taking me to pirate jail and unleashing some kind of destructive software onto my computer in order to disable it permanently. I know, I know. My imagination is my own worst enemy. :unsure: Then there is the shame of it all. How could I have been so stupid? Now everyone in the world knows I have a machine with something on it that it shouldn't have but they have no idea of the circumstances so the court of public opinion is now in session.

But, a couple of good things have come of this journey. I've met some great people here that have befriended and taken pity on this stupid old woman and are trying to help get this whole issue fixed before I have a heart attack. :D And I have learned some GREAT computer buying lessons!

As far as buying another computer. The price of the one you sent the link of isn't all that bad I guess. But it's going to take me a few weeks to save up enough money to buy another computer. But if I do that then I think I'd like to buy one that I can use parts off of this computer with. Maybe I can save some money that way. I have 2 hard drives on this machine. A pretty good sound card and I just installed a better video card then what came with it. Not sure of how to go about even looking for something compatible so I will probably ask questions here as I go along.

This machine does have Windows 7 Ultimate on it but even if I could find one with XP I'd be happy. Or even with whatever it was that was before XP and see about doing upgrades (assuming upgrades are cheaper then full versions) along the way. I don't *have to* have XP or Win7. Although I do like win7 a lot and will miss some of the features I'd rather be legal first then worry about what OS I have after that.

As far as nailing jelly to a tree....I haven't heard that one in a long time! My Dad used to say that a lot. Great memory you sparked for me and a good chuckle. I really needed that. Thanks. :D

Well goodness how I've rambled on. I tend to do that sometimes just ask D-Fred, he could tell ya. :P ;)

Thanks again and look forward to hearing from you again soon.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 11:35 AM

You may also want to try thrift stores or pawn shops- I've bought many a used computer from places like that without any issues ;).
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 11:50 AM

Geez D-Fred! You told me that before and I forgot about the danged pawn shops!

*slaps herself in the head*

Now to come up with the gas money to get to the pawn shop in order to price some out so I can put the money aside for it!

*stupid, stupid, stupid woman*
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